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My Friends and Fellow Mossier Oak Wearers:
BUT FIRST… A&E Caved…. Money talks and the gays apparently do not bring that much to the table.
And… Happy Birthday a day early to #1 Son, Zane! Love you son!
OK…This dovetails nicely with y’day’s issue and amplifies on last Saturday’s Short Stack. I have a Liberal friend, he is not as bad as he sounds here and I have defended him on these pages before because he is a good provider, husband and very generous with his time for helping those more needy than himself.
Needless to say he posted on his Facebook page an attack on Phil Robertson. That link is included.
Needlesslier (is that a word???) I HAD to chime in with predictable results.
There are four people defending Robertson: Your Precious, some guy called Richard and “Phildos” brother and cousin. (See, I told you there was hope.) And a predicable cast of critters and creatchures taking the antipodal view.
The rest is for your edification and enjoyment. At the VERY end, there is one more salvo that also has a definitive result.
(Unedited save for spelling and punctuation.)
Phil T: I like the show, I like the family, but, this is NOT a “free speech” issue, he’s an entertainer, under contract AND a bigot….
“Let Me Explain Freedom of Speech to all the Phil Robertson, Duck Dynasty Supporters”
I’m sure by now most of you have heard about Phil Robertson’s anti-gay rant he went off on during an interview with GQ magazine, and the indefinite suspension by A&E that soon followed. And wow…
Bob E: Agreed, he has the right to free speech and the station has the right to have it on their air time. He can speak all he wants in his church or on a soap box or buy time on TV.
Teri S: true that!!
Richard D: Um, it wasn’t on TV.
Bob E: Does not matter. They don’t want a bigot working for them and that’s their right also.
Phil T: It was in the public domain…
Richard D: Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. SEC. 2000e-2. [Section 703]
(a) Employer practices
It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer –
(1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.
Phil T: He has a contract with the network that has the usual behavior clauses
Teri S: That doesn’t apply… He did not get fired because of his religion, he got fired for expressing hate.
Bob E: The posting of the civil rights act is totally irrelevant to this. Thank god Americans voted out these bigots and small minded people the last two elections.
Richard D: Let me ask a serious question if he didn’t get suspended would anybody be talking about this?? Really??
Phil T: Not the conservatives, I’m sure that all the LGBT groups would be in an uproar….
Richard D: But wouldn’t you have to read GQ to even know about this?? I’m just saying I don’t think it would be as big a deal I haven’t seen it on the news just here with clips from who knows were
Bob E: Anyway, the holidays are here regardless of what he said. Let’s all say a prayer for the starving and sick. The real issues.
Phil T: Somebody woulda read that article and reported it….
Phil T: Ohhhh, and by the way A&E and Duck Dynasty couldn’t afford this kinda publicity!!!!
Richard D: C’mon Frasers on in the morning
JOHN S: Phil.. .110% wrong.
Apparently you did not read the article. He said nothing of “his own opinion” that was not in the Bible. His opinions are his based on his experiences. He never said anything personal about anyone. He even said that he loves all people. So, who is the bigot? The person who loves his enemy, those different from himself and all people or the person who makes a comment not based on fact?
He is an “entertainer” I suspect, he is under contract, I am sure but not a bigot.
As far as under contract, I am sure you are aware that A&E want to break it. They do not like the Robertson’s overt Christianity in general and Phil’s in particular. So, they would not be all that unhappy to see them leave, despite being the #1 cable show.
But, when you read the article you will see the writer kinda pokes fun at himself for being less of a man than is Phil. The writer of the article did a fair, if boring and not terribly compelling, job of relating the Phi Robertson story. It was left to others to pick and chose what was written to make their insane, hateful and sexist remarks. I am talking about the people from GLADD and other gay groups.
I blame THOSE haters and THOSE BIGOTS for this BS. I am sure that both of us have said worse than did Robertson.
But to show you the transparency of the hate of these ignorant, bigoted homosexuals, the person from GLAAD wrote, paraphrasing “Robertson does not know what it is like to live a homosexual lifestyle.” Boy, that is true! But how about “The people from GLADD do not know what it is like to like a heterosexual lifestyle.” That is equally true.
The difference is that Robertson never said a bad thing about the gays or anyone else other than citing Bible. He did not pass personal judgment. But that is not true with the people from GLAAD.
JOHN S: PHIL, HERE is the complete article from GQ. PLEASE read it and do not believe just what was cherry picked by the gays and the Lib hate press. YOU read it and tell me where Robertson said anything personally offensive. http://www.gq.com/…/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson
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Phil T: Sorry, John, the man is a bigot, I’ve seen some of his pulpit hate preaching. If he wants to use a 2000 yr old book that’s been edited and perverted throughout history to bend to the churches every whim then so be it, he DEFINITELY has that right. My point is that it’s not a “free speech” issue, it’s an employee/employer issue and if you don’t think he has a contract to be on a TV “reality show” (something else that’s bus., there’s a TON of scripting going on) then you’re misinformed…..
JOHN S: Phil, you are inaccurate on virtually every count. But, you are showing your bigotry by blaspheming the Bible. Your alleged mitigating speech is also off the line unless you have actually seen his contract. However, if you want to see proof of bigotry and racism I can point you to one of the Left’s Messiah’s henchboys…. http://dailycaller.com/…/obamacares-pajama-boy-was…/
JOHN S: (And I know it is not a main stream publication but less biased than the “forewardprogressive”, the communist group.)
Phil T: Please, I can show you countless liberals and conservatives racially ranting, doesn’t prove or disprove anything with respect to the free speech point…..As far as blaspheming the bible?? You can’t possibly believe it word for word???
Chris T: Soooo God was smart enough to build the Heavens and Earth and all things in them and make it all work like he intended but He’s not smart enough to build a book exactly like he wanted? I can’t go with that Cuz.
Tim W: John… Me thinks thou doth protest too much
Tim W: He was speaking from his perspective when he spoke about. Black people picking cotton and being happy
JOHN S: Phil. I get your point re the Bible. There are analogies and parables but the bottom line is that “Thou shalt not murder” still means just that. (Murder is the correct translation, to agree with your point.) It is not something open for interpretation. In fact it means more as it includes fighting or otherwise harming another person. The argument re Leviticus falls short as there were reasons for those laws back then. But the Decalogue hold true no matter what. You can’t tell me the 10 Commandments are open to interpretation, can you? As far as the first part of your comment, I am afraid I do not get the jib of your banter.
John T: I’m on Robertson’s side… the man was asked a question and answered it honestly and as taught in accordance to the Bible.. The thing I respect these gentlemen most about is the die hard hold on the religious beliefs they were brought up with.. It’s not as if he jumped on a TV interview to spout hatred for homos, that’s what makes it freedom of speech in my opinion.. He was asked what he was disgusted by most and he answered with what is considered an abomination punishable with a one way ticket to the faaaarrrrrrrr south
John T: All the employer needed to do was say it’s not the belief of the company and tell the gay community to boycott the show
JOHN S: @ Tim… perhaps, but I am not in Hamlet. The problem is there are differences between voicing an opinion, protesting (doth too much or not), ranting and lying to achieve an agenda. This controversy is built on the last, we are exercising the first three. If you read the article then compare that to what is being said in the SRM, I am confident you will agree. My beef is not with the issue per se but the reporting of it. Someone PLEASE illuminate on Martin Bashir’s comments about Palin and advise me of your agreement with them?
Tim W: You said he said nothing of his own opinion. That simple is not the case.
JOHN S: TW Read ALL of what I wrote.
Tim W: John I started to but honestly I think you’re defending his beliefs rather than his right to an opinion.
Gin Mc: Worshiping the bible is like worshiping the golden calf, your suppose to worship God not things.
JOHN S: @ TW:”started to”? Is that like “I tried”? Just asking. And I am defending his beliefs. They are Christian beliefs. You do not have to agree with them. But that does not change the fact that if you are a believer in God you will believe His Word. Bear in mind we are all sinners, ALL of us. Robertson admits to myriad sins and he said that ALL sins are the same, sins if the flesh, thieves, idlers and the rest are all sins and sinners. That is the point. Do you disagree?
JOHN S: @Gin, I do not know who is “worshiping” the Bible. I would agree that worship of any thing, be it a book, Baal, or anything would be wrong. I did not read anywhere where Robertson said he worshiped the Bible. Kindly show me so I can stand corrected. And you are 100% correct, you’re supposed to worship God. And I think if you read the article you will see that is exactly what Robertson said.
Tim W: No they are not “Christian” beliefs. List all the things Jesus said about homosexuals or homosexuality.
JOHN S: TW, stop. You are clearly out of your league and grasping at straws. Read the article, that sums it up. Not every sin has to be listed, all of us have sinned, Jesus died for the forgiveness of sin. And that is what Robertson said. You would know that if you read the article. (If you are not sure if homosexuality is a sin, it is covered in the 10 Commandments.)
JOHN S: Mark Twain once said: “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
Tim W: Read the article, read your post, hey how bout your read the Bible? Tell me what Jesus said about homosexuals.
Tim W: PS I read the article, it’s a whole manufactured story. A&E didn’t know what they had with this guy? We love to build them up so we can watch them fall. I’m glad though it pulls the bigots right out into the open.
JOHN S: TW, you tire me. You refuse to accept the truth. Your ignorance is everestal in scope second only to your prejudice. One last thing: 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
New International Version (NIV) “Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”
END NOTE: I love Liberals! They are just sooooo cute when they canNOT defend themselves! “Gin Mc” makes an, er, uninformed comment, is gently admonished and, poof, she is gone. Tim W. is another lost cause. Refusing to admit that he did not read the article he sallies forth repeating his ignorance, hate and vitriol. Well, after my last comment when I answer his question again, he starts to pick on some other poor lady who admits to something, makes a cogent argument and good old Timmy Boy surfaces and barrages her with absolutely hateful rhetoric. The difference is with someone like Timmy is that he actually believes the crap he says and has every false Liberal argument lined up. When you explain to someone the 600 odd laws in Leviticus are no longer applicable, they are quick to put them right back in the conversation.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome each time. A Liberal makes the same trite and tired tropes and expect you to fall for them, and when you don’t, they simply repeat them. Ergo: Liberalism is a mental disorder. See below for the Bonus!
Geri G; I believe Phil had his right to say what he said and A&E have the right to let him go, however, that does not make him a bigot. This country was founded on diversification. Why should someone who is responding to a question in a biblical manner be considered a bigot? I have a nephew who is gay. Though I do not agree with his life choices and I am a Christian I don’t love him any less. Am I therefore a bigot? He has chosen not to talk to me because I would not attend his commitment ceremony…do I not have the right to do what is right for me just as much as he has the right to do what is right for him? I think people need to stop using buzz words such as racist and bigot… You disagree with me fine no problem …then obviously I disagree with you also but I don’t want you to change your beliefs to make me appease me. Using these buzz words all the time is kinda like the boy who cried wolf. The more we call each other names the less affect it has till no one is listening and bad things are really happening.
Tim W: Amazing we never seem to bash the drunkards as sinners or the sexually immoral which basically is everyone.
Geri G: Are you attempting to bash me now? Ha Ha Ha. Don’t care…
Tim W: Nope go on and in a few years when you realize how much of your nephews life you missed on you can decide what name you want to call yourself. I do agree the bigot and racist name calling is thrown out there too fast but sometimes that glove fits.
Geri G: Again Ha Ha Ha..You only hear what you chose to hear. FYI… I invite my nephew in every family event I have. It is his choice whether he wants to attend or not.
Tim W: And you choose to pick the parts of the Bible makes him a sinner. I’m not going to list the other sexual acts that make someone just as much a sinner. But I’m willing to bet most of can check a lot of them off. Yet I’m pretty sure we don’t refuse to go the their weddings based on that.
Geri G: So let me get this straight. You get to call me a bigot because you disagree with my beliefs and I should change my way of thinking or feel bad because I do not agree with your beliefs. Is that what you are saying? …. I did not know tolerance was a one way street.
Tim W: Did I call you a bigot?
Tim W: I ate pork & shellfish this week and currently as we talk I am wearing at least 3 different fabrics at the same time. That’s way more sin than loving a person of the same sex.
JOHN S: Geri, do not get sucked in by Timothy. As you can see, he cannot honestly answer a question. He changes the topic, twists your words. Calls you a liar and all along he brings nothing to the discussion. There are Liberals who are good people, such as Phil. Then there are the self-hating Liberals like Timmy who have to bring you down because he can’t build himself up. You say you love your gay nephew. I am sure you have told him as much. But it is up to him to reciprocate. You are not compelled to go to anyone’s wedding or whatever, that is your choice. You sound like a nice person, stay that way, keep God and the center of your life and do not give haters a second of your time.